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Below I will describe my experience, how I chose builders to build a house for permanent residence.

After reading this manual, you will receive a complete guide to action and my personal experience on how not to make a mistake when choosing builders and then not regret the lost money, time and nerves.

I must say right away that the builders do not like such instructions and a couple of times they wrote me not flattering comments at all.

At the end of the article, I recorded and posted a detailed video that will give even more answers.

Here are examples of the most popular Russian construction forums

Many write there that the builders lit up, did it badly, missed the deadline, did not complete it, etc.

Or maybe people were just not there and were looking for something wrong?

Where to look

Below I write a list in ascending order of the probability of a successful outcome, that is, at the end there are more useful options, but read everything better so as not to step on someone else's rake.

From friends through word of mouth

The best option is word of mouth. If there are acquaintances who have a good house built, then let them give you the contacts of the builders, but here is immediately a problem - you are unlikely to find such acquaintances. Even if a good house has been built for someone, the builders will still turn out to be scoundrels, whose hands are growing from the wrong place. I do not consider elite renovation with budgets of 10 million or more. So we discard this option.

Through the Internet on sites

You browse 5-10 sites, call 3-5 times, they will tell you that you need a project, then they will be able to calculate the cost. And in 99% percent they will offer to make a project and then calculate the cost. Without a project, no one will talk to you, and if they do, they will put 200% in the cost for safety net. As a result, after spending 2-3 hours in vain, you will start looking for other options.

In large companies

It all depends on who you get on. If the manager is intelligent (it is extremely rare, since they work at a salary and a minimum%, there is no motivation), then he will be able to pick something up for you. But again, without a project, the cost will not really be calculated.

sketch your wishes on a piece of paper and select a project on the Internet, this will greatly speed up the choice of builders and the determination of the construction price

In large companies, after agreeing on the project, each edit will not cost you very cheaply. There, in order to change something, multistage approvals are needed and it is easier to leave it as it is. In addition, they will prescribe in the contract that a deviation from the project will increase the cost, up to 200%.

Through Message Boards

There are several large sites, below are links to them.

There are many ads and among them you can find a good team for building a house, but keep in mind that you will have to call at least 30-50 ads, and then somehow filter out unscrupulous workers, and there are 99% of these on ad sites. They do not value their reputation, they constantly change their phones, jump off objects half way and then again place themselves under new data.

Through Avito I found one foreman, and a Moskvich. He is a foreman, he has 2 teams and he works with them himself. But his price tag turned out to be higher (the difference was 100 thousand rubles) than those of whose builders I found elsewhere.

Forums

This is the only place where performers value their reputation.

And there is only one large normal forum - Forum House. Here is the link https://www.forumhouse.ru

Below I will write detailed instructions as I was looking for. Maybe you can find something else, but in my opinion this is ideal.

When to start looking

Autumn-winter, by March so that you already have a team selected and a plan of arrival at the site.

Otherwise, if you start looking in January-February, then God forbid they will put you in line for the fall, since everything is scheduled in the summer, and a good specialist never sits without work. Considering that the construction of a house on average takes 2-3 months, then during the season (when the weather permits) you can make a maximum of 2-3 houses.

To build out of season (from late autumn to early spring) is bad, long and dreary.
But much cheaper

My builders (who built for me) work all year round, but it takes longer to build in cold weather, productivity and quality drops dramatically, so take this into account.

How I was looking for a good team to build a house

Search for builders on the Forum House website https://www.forumhouse.ru

I must say right away that this is not a quick matter, but at the end you save hundreds of thousands of rubles, and most importantly, your nerves and time, since it is very dreary to rebuild or look for another brigade half way.

Go and register on the exchange as a customer https://www.forumhouse.ru/exchange

There they entered a confirmation by SMS to the phone.

Create 3 accounts (not one and not 2, namely 3)
Place your order

And you create 3 such orders (one from each account - that is, supposedly 3 new users make 3 different orders), only you need 3 different numbers to confirm (an SMS code will come).

Make orders different and do not create in one day, it is better with a break of 2-3 weeks, that's why:

so that they do not suspect that you are one and the same person.
good specialists do not constantly sit on the forum, but mainly beginners or intermediaries. To catch the specialists, we post orders on time.

When creating accounts, use different computers or different browsers (programs through which you look at sites - opera, chrome, mozilla)

Next, collect applications. Many applications will overlap. You can safely bargain with performers on overlapping requests and see how much a person willingly yields in price. Having received at least 20 applications, you will already have an understanding of the average price.

I chose from more than 100 proposals and negotiated with about 20 foremen and teams. At the exit, I already chose from three

This is a full-time job that takes several weeks, but it pays for itself completely.

What questions to ask.

To understand the builder or not, you will have to delve into the construction technology yourself. You can't do without it.

I will describe the questions using the example of a frame house. For other types of houses, you can make a list yourself.

Questions to builders about frame houses

1. The sequence of the cake of the wall outside (facade, wind protection, insulation, vapor barrier, interior decoration), many are confused where which film is put

2. Do you need a ventilation gap at a frame house (definitely yes, if the answer is "no", I recommend immediately weeding out such builders)

3. Which side to put the vapor barrier - the villi inward or outward (outward, since they collect drops and do not allow them to penetrate into the depth of the wall)

4. We want large windows from the floor, will not a lot of heat go through them? (if they say that we will put a good double-glazed window and will not, then immediately refusal, since any spraying will fade in 2-3 years and it will bake through large windows in your summer, and in winter you will get tired of heating your house)

5. Does the thickness of the insulation in the walls and ceiling differ? (in the ceiling there should be at least 20-30% more. Some make wall insulation 150, and in the ceiling they put 100 mm of rolled insulation badly rolled out and then wonder where the heat goes)

6. The most important question !!!
Is the bearing capacity higher for a bar of 150 * 150mm or for knocked together thin bars of 50 * 150? (if they answer that one is fat, then immediately refusal, because a single bar in 99% will turn out over time, it will dry out and weaken)

After choosing the right price and level.

Viewing current objects (visiting houses under construction)

Ask for current or completed objects - see how the situation at the construction site.

What to look for

Cleanliness on the site.
If a working pig, then they will build a house for you as well.
Compliance with technology
There are many subtleties, and you better understand the technology. For example, they almost always insulate poorly, the insulation is not plugged evenly and then the house cools out in winter. Someone, for example, blows out the mineral wool under pressure, but there is no way to check this in the walls and it is not a fact that it will be 100% evenly and densely distributed.
Talk to your neighbors.
The neighbors will tell you best of all how the brigade behaves. Neighbors almost always respond normally to such questions, and asking them will almost always add self-esteem to them.
Take the phone of the owner of the house to whom they are building and chat with him. If the builders are against, take this number from your neighbors, and builders minus karma for distrust and secrecy.
Find out the last name and first name of the builders and punch them through Yandex for such requests
Full name - reviews
example link https://yandex.ru/search/?lr=213&msid=1503892936.11225.22900.15156&text=%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE % D0% B2% 20% D0% 9C% D0% B8% D1% 85% D0% B0% D0% B8% D0% BB% 20% D0% BA% D1% 80% D0% BE% D0% B2% D0 % BB% D1% 8F% 20% D0% BE% D1% 82% D0% B7% D1% 8B% D0% B2% D1% 8B

Instruct everything to one company or divide it according to different contractors.

I divided in different ways. It's cheaper, better quality, but much more dreary. Considering that my house was being built alone, and the heating and electrics were thrown by others, there were no difficulties, since I brought them together at the initial stage and they worked together, despite the fact that I drew up the project myself and knew 100% what would be where.

But usually they build a house and only then understand that it was necessary to lay the wiring in the floor or to start water with a sewage system. But these are already the problems of those who did not draw up a project or built not according to the drawings but the campaign of the case (and there are 95% of them).

And the most important thing is that each team blames the previous one, saying that they did it wrong, and the previous ones have already gone to another facility and will be able to remake it only in 2-3 months.

As a result, the question is controversial - how is it better. For example, there are few heating specialists and they work only for themselves, and if your foreman connects them and takes warranty obligations for himself, then he will definitely throw 20% (50-100 thousand) to the estimate, and if you negotiate with them on straight, then in case of an accident, they can jump off, saying that the house is built clumsily.

ADVICE

Enter with all the builders in a warm, trusting relationship, do not bargain if the guys have already started working and do not spare money (if they say to buy a crane in Italy for 500 rubles, and not Chinese for 150, then this is better), in the future this will allow you to get a good one, and most importantly, quick warranty repair.

Contract

Everything that you write in the contract will give you absolutely nothing. Since you will be sent to hell with him, one in 1000 will reach the court, and most importantly, the court order still needs to be executed, and the bailiffs certainly have nothing more to do than knock your 200,000 out of the hard worker, who does not even have his own home.

Therefore, I am writing instructions on what to look for when agreeing with the brigade, the foreman in a kind dialogue and subtly hint that if there is a delay, then the payment will be proportionally cut. But it is better to write everything down on paper in the form (it will not be superfluous)

1. Timing

Construction start dates, completion dates for each stage (I paid in stages, but then as you agree), dates for the completion of the object.

The final amount. But there is such a moment, for example, it is difficult to calculate the roof, for example, 100%, as well as the area of the facade or the amount of insulation (I counted in archikada my error was 2-3%, but still, for the money, it is 20-30 thousand). Therefore, it is better to discuss the cost of materials and, if not enough, then to buy in addition, than to prescribe a fixed amount and the builders will buy with a margin and leave the rest for themselves.

3.warranty

The guarantee applies more to engineering systems, since if the house was built correctly (and we chose the right builders), then nothing will happen to it.

In any case, write that if something breaks down, then the contractor (performer) undertakes to eliminate the malfunction within 2 days. Since if a pump or a boiler flies, then without water and heat you will give oak quickly.

Video

conclusions

1. Before you start selecting builders, decide what you want (sketch out the project, choose the appearance of the house).

2. Look for builders from friends or forums, that is, where people value their reputation.

3. Call 30-50 builders / companies, communicate, clarify the subtleties of technology, be meticulous.

4. Ask for the objects under construction in order to check whether the construction technology is being followed correctly and whether the construction site is in order.

5. Bargain reasonably and choose from those offers that you like. Do not knock down the price too much, because then you yourself will regret it (they will save money on you, and krailovo, as you know, leads to a popalov).

7. Enter into an agreement in which you clearly state the terms (if you do not fulfill it, then prescribe the fines) as well as warranty conditions (if something breaks down, so that you can come and fix the breakdown within 1-2 days).

You can spend 2-4 weeks calling, searching for message boards, reading forums where there are tens of thousands of dissatisfied people.

Or you can write to me, I will advise you on how best to proceed, I will give the contacts of the builders who built the house for me, as well as help to avoid all the mistakes that I made.

An electrician is needed to complete the electrical work. The object is a children's clinic. Located in Shushary. Complete the cable routing without gouging. Installation of sockets and switches about 30 pcs. Installation of lamps in Armstrong 44pcs. Collect the shield. Payment in stages. Call until 20.00

Territorially Shushary

10/29/2019 Customer

A team of 10-15 people is required for the installation of gypsum boards - Walls in one layer - 1000 sq.m. / 280 rub. - Partitions in two layers - 550 sq.m. / 410r. - Ceilings in one layer - 450sq.m. / 430 rub. We give out the tool, we give out the material. Piecework payment.

Geographically Saint Petersburg

10/29/2019 Customer

Finishers are required for redecorating apartments in Kaluga. Walls putty, primer, wallpaper-186r.m2. The floors in the bathrooms in the corridor and in the kitchens are tiles-300r.m2. Wall tiles - 380r.m2. Laminate flooring 135r.m2. Installation of the assembled door 500r. Boxes made of gkl-265r.m2. Strob plaster 8t.r. floor. Installation of floor plinth 22 r.m.p. Slopes for painting. 130r.m2. The volume is 13 floors with 5 apartments per floor. 2 apartments with 3 rooms and 3 one-room apartments. Dates until March 1. Payment every 2 weeks by any means. A team of at least 15 people is needed.

Geographically Kaluga

10/29/2019 Customer

Painters are required, painting walls and ceilings, consider only those who are ready to go out and paint. Accommodation on site is possible, daytime from 2500 rubles

Geographically Moscow

10/29/2019 Customer

It is necessary to renovate a room of 140-150 sq m in Moscow. Opening in the ceiling with a monolithic staircase, tiles on the stairs and the floor, plastering of the walls, installation of partitions from tongue-and-groove plates with a total area of 126 sq m, electrician, painting the ceiling in black and a suspended ceiling, equipping a toilet 4 sq m, laying tiles at the service entrance ... accommodation at the facility is possible. The total cost of work without materials is 350,000 rubles.

Geographically Moscow

10/29/2019 Customer

It is necessary to change the lead-in cables to the apartments. Requires cable pulling and pipe installation. Punching holes in the apartment, installation of the cable channel. All electricians with a permit are switched on. Accommodation in a rented apartment.

Territorially Kirishi, Volkhovskaya 6

28.10.2019 Customer

I am looking for a team to carry out a major overhaul in a room with total area of 320 sq.m. (15 rooms + utility rooms). List of major works: alteration of interroom. foam block partitions - 30 sq.m; plastering and painting works - 1000 sq.m .; wall tiles 200 sq.m .; floor tiles 140 sq. m .; laminate 170 sq. m .; suspended or stretch ceilings 320 sq. m .; construction of a concrete ladder with 5 steps and a mezzanine of 3 sq.m. Installation of doors, skirting boards, window sills, repair of window slopes, installation of plumbing fixtures (17 bathrooms) - the whole range of repair work, with the exception of the screed, electricity and water supply. The work will start in the coming days. Without intermediaries and advances! Payment in stages, in cash in the hands of the workers!

Geographically Moscow, Aviamotornaya street

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The construction of a summer residence (baths, outbuildings) in the Moscow region, ordered on YouDo, is carried out in accordance with the current engineering standards and technologies. For your future home, you can choose one of the ready-made projects or order the creation of a new one from Yuda's performers. The price for the services of specialists hired on youdo.com will be 20-30% lower than the cost of work carried out by specialized services in Moscow.

How profitable to order the construction of a summer residence in the suburbs?

To find on the construction of turnkey country houses and / or outbuildings around them, create a corresponding task on YouDo. Specify as precisely as possible your requirements for the workers you are looking for, and indicate them in the application. Further, the terms of cooperation will be additionally agreed with the performer (foreman) found on Yuda. You will install:

what types of buildings are required (private residential building, bathhouse, garden or outbuildings), as well as their number
projects of houses being built
when the team hired by YouDo has to start and finish the construction of a private house, garden gazebo, etc.
varieties of materials that are needed for the construction of houses from bricks, timber, monolithic panels, etc.
the price for the services of the construction team, etc.

In the course of the agreement, you can also discuss possible discounts for the construction of a summer house in Moscow and the conditions for obtaining them.

The cost of builders services in Yuda

In the profiles of the brigades registered on youdo.com, you can find information about how much it costs to build a country house from logs or other materials. Prices are indicative and depend on the conditions under which the work will take place. The final cost of the order depends on:

type of services for which a team of builders is required to build a house: erection of a turnkey building or its individual parts (foundation, walls, roof, etc.)
the complexity of building a house (depends on the project, the conditions of the area on which the building plot is located, etc.)
the time allotted for the construction of a house in Moscow

You can save a lot when ordering large volumes of work, as well as with long-term cooperation with the chosen performer Yuda. There are always free workers on youdo.com, you can order their services around the clock. A team of builders hired by YouDo to build a house will complete your task efficiently, inexpensively and in a short time.

Below I will describe my experience, how I chose builders to build a house for permanent residence.

I must say right away that the builders do not like such instructions and a couple of times they wrote me not flattering comments at all.

At the end of the article, I recorded and posted a detailed video that will give even more answers.

Here are examples of the most popular Russian construction forums

Many write there that the builders lit up, did it badly, missed the deadline, did not complete it, etc.

Or maybe people were just not there and were looking for something wrong?

Where to look

From friends through word of mouth

Through the Internet on sites

In large companies

sketch your wishes on a piece of paper and select a project on the Internet, this will greatly speed up the choice of builders and the determination of the construction price

Through Message Boards

There are several large sites, below are links to them.

Forums

This is the only place where performers value their reputation.

And there is only one large normal forum - Forum House. Here is the link https://www.forumhouse.ru

Below I will write detailed instructions as I was looking for. Maybe you can find something else, but in my opinion this is ideal.

When to start looking

Autumn-winter, by March so that you already have a team selected and a plan of arrival at the site.

To build out of season (from late autumn to early spring) is bad, long and dreary.
But much cheaper

My builders (who built for me) work all year round, but it takes longer to build in cold weather, productivity and quality drops dramatically, so take this into account.

How I was looking for a good team to build a house

Search for builders on the Forum House website https://www.forumhouse.ru

Go and register on the exchange as a customer https://www.forumhouse.ru/exchange

There they entered a confirmation by SMS to the phone.

Create 3 accounts (not one and not 2, namely 3)
Place your order

And you create 3 such orders (one from each account - that is, supposedly 3 new users make 3 different orders), only you need 3 different numbers to confirm (an SMS code will come).

Make orders different and do not create in one day, it is better with a break of 2-3 weeks, that's why:

so that they do not suspect that you are one and the same person.
good specialists do not constantly sit on the forum, but mainly beginners or intermediaries. To catch the specialists, we post orders on time.

When creating accounts, use different computers or different browsers (programs through which you look at sites - opera, chrome, mozilla)

I chose from more than 100 proposals and negotiated with about 20 foremen and teams. At the exit, I already chose from three

This is a full-time job that takes several weeks, but it pays for itself completely.

What questions to ask.

To understand the builder or not, you will have to delve into the construction technology yourself. You can't do without it.

I will describe the questions using the example of a frame house. For other types of houses, you can make a list yourself.

Questions to builders about frame houses

1. The sequence of the cake of the wall outside (facade, wind protection, insulation, vapor barrier, interior decoration), many are confused where which film is put

2. Do you need a ventilation gap at a frame house (definitely yes, if the answer is "no", I recommend immediately weeding out such builders)

3. Which side to put the vapor barrier - the villi inward or outward (outward, since they collect drops and do not allow them to penetrate into the depth of the wall)

After choosing the right price and level.

Viewing current objects (visiting houses under construction)

Ask for current or completed objects - see how the situation at the construction site.

What to look for

Cleanliness on the site.
If a working pig, then they will build a house for you as well.
Compliance with technology
There are many subtleties, and you better understand the technology. For example, they almost always insulate poorly, the insulation is not plugged evenly and then the house cools out in winter. Someone, for example, blows out the mineral wool under pressure, but there is no way to check this in the walls and it is not a fact that it will be 100% evenly and densely distributed.
Talk to your neighbors.
The neighbors will tell you best of all how the brigade behaves. Neighbors almost always respond normally to such questions, and asking them will almost always add self-esteem to them.
Take the phone of the owner of the house to whom they are building and chat with him. If the builders are against, take this number from your neighbors, and builders minus karma for distrust and secrecy.
Find out the last name and first name of the builders and punch them through Yandex for such requests
Full name - reviews
example link https://yandex.ru/search/?lr=213&msid=1503892936.11225.22900.15156&text=%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BF%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BE % D0% B2% 20% D0% 9C% D0% B8% D1% 85% D0% B0% D0% B8% D0% BB% 20% D0% BA% D1% 80% D0% BE% D0% B2% D0 % BB% D1% 8F% 20% D0% BE% D1% 82% D0% B7% D1% 8B% D0% B2% D1% 8B

Instruct everything to one company or divide it according to different contractors.

ADVICE

Contract

1. Timing

Construction start dates, completion dates for each stage (I paid in stages, but then as you agree), dates for the completion of the object.

3.warranty

The guarantee applies more to engineering systems, since if the house was built correctly (and we chose the right builders), then nothing will happen to it.

Video

conclusions

1. Before you start selecting builders, decide what you want (sketch out the project, choose the appearance of the house).

2. Look for builders from friends or forums, that is, where people value their reputation.

3. Call 30-50 builders / companies, communicate, clarify the subtleties of technology, be meticulous.

4. Ask for the objects under construction in order to check whether the construction technology is being followed correctly and whether the construction site is in order.

You can spend 2-4 weeks calling, searching for message boards, reading forums where there are tens of thousands of dissatisfied people.

Or you can write to me, I will advise you on how best to proceed, I will give the contacts of the builders who built the house for me, as well as help to avoid all the mistakes that I made.

Now many people think that it is very easy to find a construction team. The range of firms allows you to really think so. But in practice, the customer faces a number of difficulties. And despite the numerous advice on the selection of specialists, it gives preference to insufficiently qualified workers. Construction and repair work is now expensive, do you have to pay twice? After all, not only self-taught builders are to blame for poor work, but also customers who negligently reacted to the choice of the brigade. On our website, you can find a team using a service for the selection of proven specialists.

We learned about the brigade thanks to the announcement at the bus stop.
The firm offered a very low cost.
The construction and repair project was not provided.

The first mistake of the customer is negligence in the search

Let's start with the first point. You can find builders very quickly, but why such a hurry? After all, you can fall for the bait of swindlers. If you want to find a really reliable company, it is better to start your search as early as possible, at least six months in advance. It should be noted that professionals are always busy with work during the season of construction and repair work. Therefore, the customer should be surprised that everyone in the company is sitting idle in the summer, waiting for a new order. Only by agreeing with the administration of the company in advance, one can expect that active work will begin in the summer without a queue at the right time.

A good brigade may have a schedule even six months in advance, and this should not be forgotten.

Regular orders for construction teams that really have excellent qualifications is the norm.

The second mistake of the customer is the search for the cheapest prices. Reputable construction firms can of course offer attractive discounts to their clients. But at the same time, the prices will not differ much. If a team of builders for their services asks for a very low salary, you should seriously think about it. Free cheese only comes in a mousetrap. Therefore, you should not cooperate with dubious companies that are trying to lure customers with low prices.

The third reason is that there is no clear plan. If the customer begins to cooperate with a construction company, but he is not provided with a project for the upcoming construction work, then you need to seriously think about it. The presence of drawings is a mandatory component; without it, the processes of arranging the premises will not begin. The company should offer not only its own options, but also listen to the customer, take into account his wishes and, of course, if necessary, make changes to the project. By previewing the sketch, the customer will be able to avoid unpleasant situations that may arise at the end of all work. In order to avoid disagreements, you need to familiarize yourself with the drawings before starting and make corrections if necessary.

How to find quickly

Situations arise in different ways, so many people have a question, is it possible, in principle, to find qualified workers quickly? Naturally, there are practically no chances to start cooperation with the best market players. However, there are still several ways to find a suitable option as quickly as possible.

Firstly, to search for a team, it is better to use specialized sites, the so-called construction exchanges, where construction firms offer their services. For example, the site http://stroiman.ru/, here you can pick up a construction team in almost any region.

Secondly, you need to familiarize yourself with the website of the construction company. Having entered the resource, it is worth viewing not only sketches, which are presented as an example, but also photographs that illustrate the entire process of building a house. By the way, if in the pictures there are also builders who will work on the customer's project, this is real luck. After all, now on sites you can rarely find photographs of employees, projects often present models.

Getting acquainted with projects, it is important to review the work in order to assess the level of complexity of the processes being performed. For example, if a company deals only with apartment renovation, will employees in this company be able to cope with the construction of a cottage? Even if the manager assures that the team will be able to cope with all the processes at the proper level, you should not trust him. If there are no examples of work already completed, then there can be no certainty that the result will meet expectations.

Thirdly, in order to determine whether a construction company is offering a lower cost, it is worth talking to a specialized forum. Many community members have already built a house or made repairs and are not lazy to share their impressions.

And, fourthly, a construction company may already exist for a long time on the market, but at the same time have employees without work experience on its staff. For example, if the number of orders increases, new teams need to be created - no one wants to lose money. Therefore, the customer has the right to view the portfolio of each employee of the team and make sure that real professionals will take up the work in case of cooperation.

It is not difficult to find a team of builders, however, in order not to be disappointed in the work of specialists as a result, you need to correctly consider the choice of a company and follow simple advice.